jblum ([info]jblum) wrote,
@ 2008-04-29 11:59:00
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Every so often Doctor Who fandom can still astonish me.

After this last week -- which was probably the most old-school story yet, UNIT verus a Sontaran invasion, familiar objects like satnavs and emissions controllers turned lethal, all the most charming cliches of the Pertwee era in one neat package -- I've seen old-school fans complaining that the new show has got it wrong because:

* the Sontarans are acting sneaky and stealthy instead of going for an all-out invasion (when in every single old Sontaran story for one reason or another they were being stealthy, and we never once saw an up-front invasion)

* the Doctor is being shamefully rude to his friends at UNIT, not at all like the old days (when he was CONSTANTLY rude to his friends at UNIT, and indeed anyone who disagreed with him ever from Romana to Ralph Cornish)

* the Doctor sometimes makes political comments (so, not at all like the days when Mac Hulke used him for Green Party political broadcasts, Robert Holmes had the workers of the world Pluto unite, or Andrew Cartmel went after everything from nukes to Thatcher)

* the Doctor is making a big deal about not liking guns (which he's been saying since 1966, while at the same time being happy to use them when he needs them)

Now, obviously Doctor Who appeals to a lot of people for a lot of different reasons. But all these "my Doctor would never have done that" bits are just so, well, completely and utterly factually wrong that I'm finding myself resorting to the great cliche: What show were you watching again?

And I'm just wondering where some of those ideas could come from -- most of all, their idea that the Doctor used to be nice. (Sorry, folks -- he was brilliant, funny, caring, astonishing, brave, wonderful, and quite frequently an asshole.) I think a fan just gave me a bit of a clue with something they said about him: "He didn't go around judging people and he didn't hate people unless they were the baddies."

Now, this fan said that completely obliviously of the huge judgmentalism right there in that statement. But more to the point, it made me think of the kind of people they missed him judging, the ones who the Doctor saw as beneath him... who are quite often the ones the young fans would have thought were beneath them too.

And I think that might be the key. When they thought the Doctor was nice, what they really mean is that they thought he would be nice to them. Cause they were like him -- smart, geeky, a bit isolated, surrounded by a bunch of petty smallminded fools and all that. (Yep, the school system's got a lot to answer for.) They knew who the idiots and the baddies were in the world too. And they were sure the Doctor would only pick on the people who deserved it, the ones who'd pick on them.

But now, maybe, now that they've grown up, they can get an inkling of what it would be like if the Doctor's casual scorn were turned on them. To be a Ralph Cornish or a Brigadier or an Elton Pope or a Sir Colin Thackeray, just doing the best you can, even doing the right thing rather than the wrong one... and then this big-mouthed genius swans up and takes over and starts having goes at you and making smug little comments to the girl at his side. And they don't think you're wonderful, and better than all the others. And he might not invite you for a trip in the TARDIS.

That would be unbearable, wouldn't it?

(And I have to wonder how much of the venom directed at [insert companion of your choice] comes from a similar sort of primal scream -- what makes her more special than me?)

But of course those special bits of your childhood when you were sure you were the Doctor's best-friend-in-waiting couldn't have been a lie -- so he must have changed, not you. And that's how people can accuse the Doctor of having become "one of the cool kids" -- not recognizing that the arrogance of the cool kids and the arrogance of the geek squad are just two sides of the same coin.

This is rather a lot of words for Livejournal, so I'll try to compress this thousand into an icon: it would be a rotating series of pictures of the Doctors, from the first through the tenth, with text reading "CHANCES ARE HE WOULDN'T LIKE YOU". And I should probably throw House and Sherlock Holmes in there as well!


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[info]outsdr
2008-04-29 03:43 am UTC (link)
Very astute.

There should be a support group ... "People the Doctor Didn't Like" or PDDL, pronounced puddle. Or piddle, even.


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[info]gdwessel
2008-04-29 03:46 am UTC (link)
You've once again succinctly summed up why I don't even bother talking about the show to fans (well other than friends + family) anymore. I don't read reviews or anything else. I'm subscribed to the communities here but mainly use them to post my episode reviews and get the fuck out. Life's too short, anymore.

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[info]grandmofhelsing
2008-04-29 03:49 am UTC (link)
Exceptionally well said. Indeed, my only problem with "The Sontaran Stratagem" is that the whole "sinister technology implanted in everyday devices" plot seems to have been done to death in the past few stories. We've just had The Master's evil telecom system and the alien weight-loss drugs.

Oh, and they better name-drop the Rutans in the next episode.

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[info]fizzixrat
2008-04-29 04:34 am UTC (link)
Not to mention Cybus Corporation's evil Bluetooth technology in Series 2 and Autons in Series 1.

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[info]ashamel
2008-04-29 05:33 am UTC (link)
I was strongly reminded of the first Sarah Jane adventure by Partners in Crime. It does seem to be getting repetitious, but we can probably trace that back to the old series too :-)

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[info]ianracey
2008-04-29 05:07 pm UTC (link)
Well it's a staple of the series going all the way back to the Troughton years (can't think of a Hartnell example, probably because Hartnell rarely visited the twentieth century, but I could be wrong), so there's nothing wrong with it recurring once or twice a season. But when "Popular consumer fad turns out to actually be lethal alien infiltration of human society, and the company responsible for the product turns out to be Evil Corporation PLC, whose CEO is secretly Mr/Ms Evil" turns out to be the plot of three of the first four episodes of the current series (even though only two of those episodes take place on modernday Earth), it does start looking rather repetitive. Nothing I'm not confident a year off and a freshening up of the writing staff won't fix.

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[info]jblum
2008-04-30 04:03 am UTC (link)
I think the biggest factor is that now that they're chewing through ten stories a year rather than 4-6, they're hitting the similarities faster than before. And in the old days we'd have had six weeks of one invasion-by-everyday-devices story!

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[info]purrdence
2008-04-29 04:06 am UTC (link)
the Doctor used to be nice.

Whoever says that *obviously* has never watched any First Doctor stories...

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[info]grandmofhelsing
2008-04-29 04:26 am UTC (link)
Or has only seen Fifth Doctor stories.

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[info]jvowles
2008-04-29 01:16 pm UTC (link)
Isn't he the one who always argued with his friends and got one of them killed? :)

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[info]gregmce
2008-04-29 03:13 pm UTC (link)
I just hurt myself from laughing.

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[info]grandmofhelsing
2008-04-29 04:42 pm UTC (link)
Yes. But he was very nice about it.

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[info]frogworth
2008-04-29 05:22 am UTC (link)
Excellent stuff.

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[info]angriest
2008-04-29 06:12 am UTC (link)
It's nothing new. I read lots of stuff back in 1996 about the TV Movie being nothing like old Doctor Who because the plot was silly and it had a car chase.

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[info]jblum
2008-04-29 06:15 am UTC (link)
Best one of those was *Barry Letts* complaining about the car chase and the religious imagery.

Erm, Barry, mate? Did the words "Planet of the Spiders" even begin to cross your mind when you said that? >:-)

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[info]angriest
2008-04-29 06:21 am UTC (link)
I think maybe Baz meant Christian imagery. Buddhist stuff is OK.

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[info]jblum
2008-04-30 04:04 am UTC (link)
And the car chase went on so long it served as an aid to meditation!

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[info]alryssa
2008-04-29 06:51 am UTC (link)
These people clearly missed Six's tenure :P

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[info]doctor_toc
2008-04-29 08:15 am UTC (link)
One of the many reasons why I wish there was a word or phrase that meant "person who actually quite likes Doctor Who as it is and was, rather than what they've convinced themselves Doctor Who ought to be". I mean, I watch it all, love every era, have pretty much every book and DVD and squeal like a little girl at every trailer, interview and magazine cover. But I can't and won't call myself a fan, because thats been hijacked by a lot of deluded, argumentative tossers with no sense of history or perspective.

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[info]daibhid_c
2008-04-29 08:48 am UTC (link)
Doesn't the Doctor himself say that this sort of sneaking around is unSontaranish? So the programme itself agrees with the fans' misrecollection (while specifying this as an exception) and they're still not happy!

Another point these old fans seem to be missing is that, Martha excepted, these aren't his friends at UNIT; Mace obviously sees himself as the new Brig and expects the same relationship with the Doctor, but from the Doc's POV, he's just another soldier.

In the words of Terry Pratchett: "Fans, eh? Can't live with them, can't beat them over the head with a shovel."

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[info]mondyboy
2008-04-29 10:30 am UTC (link)
Not to get all precious about my review, but I really think he is being rude. You're right to say that Doc 3 had issues with UNIT - major issues, even cf The Silurians - but I always thought he had a grudging respect for the organisation.

The Doctor comes off as a bit of a prick in that scene for no good reason. And I keep coming back to the thought that if he hated or disliked UNIT activities so much the why did he recommend Martha to them. I mean, what does that say about his relationship with Martha?

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[info]jblum
2008-04-29 11:57 am UTC (link)
...Wasn't even thinking of your review, FWIW! More later...

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[info]mondyboy
2008-04-29 12:00 pm UTC (link)
Ah. Apologies. That's ego and paranoia for you.

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[info]jvowles
2008-04-29 01:19 pm UTC (link)
He recommends Martha because he knows she'll be able to keep them on track. I think he worries that their military solutions will become too easy a solution.

It strikes me that the Doctor respects the *people* -- not the organization. He specifically mentions that they're good people in one of the recent episodes. And he's left it alone for a very long time, and knows that people move on.

Wouldn't mind bumping into Brig Bambera....or even the proper Brig....however.

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[info]jblum
2008-04-29 01:55 pm UTC (link)
I'm holding out for Adrienne Kramer!

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[info]jvowles
2008-04-29 02:29 pm UTC (link)
I suspect you'd be holding out quite a while, sadly. Wouldn't be the same without Marsha, anyway -- and fans would (rightly) ask what happened to the last black female UNIT chief we saw.

Face it -- we'd be thrilled by a simple namedrop. "We've just heard from General Kramer at UNIT in Washington DC -- they've taken a few casualties but they're holding out for now..."

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[info]jblum
2008-04-30 04:12 am UTC (link)
Well, when it comes to Martha... like he said, the UNIT he knew was a lot more homespun. He might not have had any major qualms about getting her a job with *them*... but now suddenly he's just been shown that This Is Not Your Father's UNIT, seen the new mob in full-scale military action against what looks like a civilian target, and gotten a poke from Donna about turning his friends into soldiers to boot. Not surprised it got his back up.

Basically I think he's like an old-school fanboy who's tuned into the new show for the first time and gets shirty from the culture shock!

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[info]matthewwolff
2008-04-29 09:36 pm UTC (link)
I'm convinced that most of "fandom" (all of fandom, not just Who fans) has now compromised itself too much to give honest reviews. They're too busy in a game of "one-upmanship" of hate towards the program they are supposed to love. Somehow, fans have gotten it into their heads that they look smarter the moor they slag their favorite show off.... After all, if they found faults in the show that another person was loving, it means they must be smarter than that other person to have been able to find those faults. And there's nothing a fan loves more than making themselves look smarter than the other people they're talking to....
Cynical, I know, but that's where I am right now....

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[info]jblum
2008-04-30 04:22 am UTC (link)
I really think there's a define between old-school (primarily male) fandom and new-school (much more female) fandom on that front. The "looking smarter" bit is way more a fanboy than a fangirl thing, for example -- it's nerd macho. The newer fans and female fans tend to at least be more sincere in their hates... the know-it-all-ness can still be in there, but it's not quite the point of the exercise so much.

I saw someone sum up the different mindsets, fangirl versus fanboy, as "this character sucks because THEY'RE EVIL" versus "this character sucks because I'M GOD"... :-)

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[info]colonel_barker
2008-04-29 11:02 pm UTC (link)
I liked it. Fandom sucks.

Personally I think that episode was the closet thing we have had to a classic series story since the relaunch.

I think it was the scene where the Doctor faces the Sontaran for the first time, I suddenly felt like I was watching a Tom Baker story. The story is completely what Doctor Who is, and is about.

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[info]ashamel
2008-04-30 08:44 am UTC (link)
They were complaining about that? That was cool.

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